DIV Graphics editor FX blur function - ingame?

Quote: Originally posted by CicTec

Hello BreadCaster, I don't see any FX button, can you make a screenshot please ? DIV currently has no Blur effect, this function/system needs at least 16bits colour depth to work properly.

Sure! heres a screenshot of the FX button, it appears after youve made a selection box, on the toolbar - one of the FX possible is this blur (or anti alias feature perhaps?) - if you do it a whole bunch of times then the image looks like this :p

Quote: Originally posted by CicTec

Ah ok thanks, The option was a bit hidden. It's not a blur, but a smoothing effect, I do not know exactly which type (there are many, you should look at the source code), you can take a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoothing to see if someone matches what the DIV editor uses. In any case, DIV currently has no function in the language to achieve this effect.

ahhh I see

Itd be cool if someone could write a function to do this on the fly for graphics in DIV! I was thinking it could be a great effect to have for a pause screen, or the background for the player inventory haha.

Hopefully someone more technically minded will see my plea :p

Quote: Originally posted by RKSoft

For blur we need 16 bit color support first. I hope DIV will get 32 bit color support in the future.

Quote: Originally posted by BreadCaster

Quote: Originally posted by CicTec   Ah ok thanks, The option was a bit hidden. It's not a blur, but a smoothing effect, I do not know exactly which type (there are many, you should look at the source code), you can take a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoothing to see if someone matches what the DIV editor uses. In any case, DIV currently has no function in the language to achieve this effect. ahhh I see Itd be cool if someone could write a function to do this on the fly for graphics in DIV! I was thinking it could be a great effect to have for a pause screen, or the background for the player inventory haha. Hopefully someone more technically minded will see my plea :p

to be honest it is quite depressing seeing progress take so long

I only wish there were something we could do to help out, its such a shame because I feel like without having active progress and getting DIV up to speed there just arent going to be many, if any, new developers using it.

I mean, I'm using it partly out of laziness, partly out of nostalgia and partly because I want to see what a raycasting engine can do when pushed to its limits, but I cant even really begin to convince anyone else who talks about game dev stuff with me to give it a try. I'm still gonna stick around of course, but yeah. Ho hum.

Quote: Originally posted by BreadCaster

to be honest it is quite depressing seeing progress take so long I only wish there were something we could do to help out, its such a shame because I feel like without having active progress and getting DIV up to speed there just arent going to be many, if any, new developers using it. I mean, I'm using it partly out of laziness, partly out of nostalgia and partly because I want to see what a raycasting engine can do when pushed to its limits, but I cant even really begin to convince anyone else who talks about game dev stuff with me to give it a try. I'm still gonna stick around of course, but yeah. Ho hum.

Quote: Originally posted by CicTec

Quote: Originally posted by BreadCaster   to be honest it is quite depressing seeing progress take so long I only wish there were something we could do to help out, its such a shame because I feel like without having active progress and getting DIV up to speed there just arent going to be many, if any, new developers using it. I mean, I'm using it partly out of laziness, partly out of nostalgia and partly because I want to see what a raycasting engine can do when pushed to its limits, but I cant even really begin to convince anyone else who talks about game dev stuff with me to give it a try. I'm still gonna stick around of course, but yeah. Ho hum. I understand you, About raycasting, I think you can get good results with it, some of the most important features in the internal 3D engine (VPE) have been removed in the build of mode8 (i do not understand why, maybe for issues of development time or bugs Activating these features and inserting 16/32bits support you can get good old-fashioned games like DOOM2, etc..., however the engine (VPE) has the same DIV situation, it is strongly tied to 8bits, so It requires a re-factor and rewrite in different parts to be modernized. For now we can try to fix all the bugs present and make it usable (the DIV2 version was very unstable) [Edited on 27-4-2017 by CicTec]

The kind of levels etc present in games like Doom 2 etc can be done easily already, as Dennises Div Doom showed - what Im more interested in is making levels up to the standard of the BUILD engine, and making those games in the style of games like Condemned criminal origins etc:



Slopes, sectors over sectors, moving shadows and lights, individually fogged sectors, etc are all helpful to achieve this - Some of this is possible without new features of the VPE being reactivated - some of them are not. I have managed to basically fake "thin wall support" in mode 8 now though using spritebars made out of an array of graphics - caution tape, chain link fences etc

Cant wait to show you all what Ive made xo

[Edited on 28-4-2017 by BreadCaster]

Quote: Originally posted by BreadCaster

The kind of levels etc present in games like Doom 2 etc can be done easily already, as Dennises Div Doom showed - what Im more interested in is making levels up to the standard of the BUILD engine, and making those games in the style of games like Condemned criminal origins etc: Slopes, sectors over sectors, moving shadows and lights, individually fogged sectors, etc are all helpful to achieve this - Some of this is possible without new features of the VPE being reactivated - some of them are not. I have managed to basically fake "thin wall support" in mode 8 now though using spritebars made out of an array of graphics - caution tape, chain link fences etc

Quote: Originally posted by BreadCaster

Cant wait to show you all what Ive made xo

Expecting to see all this.

See, I'd figured that you should technically be able to build slopes in Mode 8 by having a process that runs multiple rows of small 3*3 sprites like this:

TOP DOWN VIEW
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Basically like you would with small steps but sadly you cant run that many small sectors close to one anotha without mode 8 crashing

The idea was that once in the "slope sector" (the one with the equals signs above and below it), the distance between points A and B would be calculated (just along the one axis) and then that would affect the Z value of the player camera. I never got it working though.....

[Edited on 30-4-2017 by BreadCaster]

Quote: Originally posted by BreadCaster

See, I'd figured that you should technically be able to build slopes in Mode 8 by having a process that runs multiple rows of small 3*3 sprites like this: TOP DOWN VIEW ---

Quote: Originally posted by BreadCaster

Basically like you would with small steps but sadly you cant run that many small sectors close to one anotha without mode 8 crashing The idea was that once in the "slope sector" (the one with the equals signs above and below it), the distance between points A and B would be calculated (just along the one axis) and then that would affect the Z value of the player camera. I never got it working though..... [Edited on 30-4-2017 by BreadCaster]

the most serious bug that i can see in mode 8 is that sometimes small sectors cause vertical "bars" of black to appear at certain distances, and that it can also be risky for the camera to go inside sectors where the vertexes have been modified using set_m8_point - like, sometimes the camera can glitch outside bounds and you enter the weird world where sectors have no walls and the camera doesnt collide with anything. but aside from those two glitches, it all seems good